September 2018

(Anon cause I'm shy) Hello, new follower here. I can't get over how I haven't found you earlier! I mean I've surely seen your posts back in the day. Anyway, I just drop by to say you seem a wonderful person and, from one Fandom Ancient to another (that is, counting me entering the fandom at age 5, which is technically totally true but still - BTW, thoughts on children activity in early HP fandom?) - your HP analyses give me life. Also, sending a smile from fellow Christian! All the best to you!

theprogressofspring:

Hi Anon! Thanks for reaching out–I’d love to hear from you personally if and when you feel comfortable. :) I’m incredibly flattered by your kind words, and have a smile right back.

(Also, a very warm welcome to all my new followers!)

As far as being a Fandom Ancient, I came into the Harry Potter fandom in about 2000 as a preteen (GoF was the first book I had to wait for). If not for a state technology grant that awarded 8th-12th graders at my school personal laptops, I would have had nowhere NEAR the accessibility to the internet/fandom that I had. I can’t believe it’s been almost 20 years now.

“Children in fandom” is something I have a lot of affection for–I was absolutely a child in the fandom, but of course we all felt very grown up with our lime/lemon fanfic and RPGs. :P Growing up on the internet/in fandom–especially the theorizing and meta-commentary that Harry Potter produced–definitely taught me a lot about lateral thinking, persuasion, and asking “why?” I learned how to observe, and how to not only make pronouncements, but supported arguments. (That said, I look back at some of my old posts and totally cringe!) I absolutely loved being challenged by smart fans who made me think twice about automatically beloved characters like Dumbledore and Molly Weasley. (Shout-out to The Red Hen!)

That said, the way fandom and the internet was in the early 2000s can and never will happen again, and I think being a child in the fandom over the last ten years and from now on is WILDLY different. We had almost absolute anonymity and freedom; ironically, that made things feel a lot more innocent! I think because I WAS young, I never got tied up in the drama that adult BNFs did (Cassie Clare, MsScribe, etc.). I was just there to theorize, get mad/excited, write terrible fanfic, and love these characters.

As an adult, I’m here to theorize, get mad/excited, write slightly better fanfic, and love these characters. And anyone who enjoys watching me do that is a valued guest on this blog! <3

squeeful:

somethingoddinsod:

shiralipkin:

thelilithnoir:

startrektrashface:

schumie:

keeveet-talks:

obstinatecondolement:

I wonder when exactly it was that Star Trek stopped being perceived as light, fluffy, not-really-legitimate sci fi that ~housewives~ liked and started being seen as serious nerd business that girls had to keep their gross cooties off. 

Also when did the Beatles start to be remembered as rock legends rather than a silly boy band teenaged girls liked?

When men decided they liked them.

this is seriously exactly how it happened. Women were actually the first rock and roll ‘critics’ because they would write in to women’s papers and magazines to share and discuss what their kids were listening to when men still thought it was trashy teeny bopper music. once it became a lucrative, mainstream genre men shoved women out of the space. Men also tend to be gatekeepers once they move into formerly female spaces - early trek fandom was incredibly open and inclusive; women would set up fan get togethers in their own houses to discuss the show or invite the actors to visit before conventions became a thing, and then were huge in organizing the first conventions - but now the stereotype of a trekkie is a nerdy white dude who scoffs derisively at casual fans and newbies with his encyclopedic and pedantic knowledge of trek

I propose we call this “mentrification”

YES

Heh, guess how computer programming went…

And filmmaking.

A “quick” & “simple” guide to finding old fic off of AO3

snakeslide:

I wrote this in a fit of hyperfocus while looking for old LOTR fic for a friend, and figured I’d share it, for fandom posterity if nothing else. So much has changed just in the years I’ve been in fandom! This is how I started reading fic… though I had way fewer broken links to deal with back then.

Quick guide: If you are looking for unread/old fic from an older fandom, go to Part 1. If you know some vague info about a fic you once read but don’t remember the name/author, go to Part 2. If you have a broken link, go to Part 3.

Part 1: New Old Fandoms

1. Just got into an old fandom? Congratulations. Looking for fic for it? ….good luck. But I’m an old hand at this, and I’m pretty good at it. Step one: lower your expectations, and be prepared for disappointment. Lots of fics have been lost from zines, listservs, down archives, the loss of Geocities, deleted LJ’s and dead personal fansites. More than that, you can’t be picky: sometimes only the shit survives. Also, I’ve found that the quality of fic writing has gone up over the years. Stuff that people viewed as masterpieces years ago might look to be cliche or mediocre now. But it’s like Star Trek: they’re full of cliche tropes because they invented the tropes.

2. You’ve probably already looked at AO3, but take a closer look. For old fanworks that have moved onto AO3, sorting by kudos/bookmarks/hits doesn’t work. A work could be remembered as a masterpiece and only have 2 bookmarks on AO3 simply because no one’s thought to look for it there. Check by date: backdated works show when it was originally published. Summaries used to be shorter and vaguer, and most people don’t bother updating them or using descriptive tags other than the pairing when they post them, so sometimes the only way to tell what a fic is about is by opening them all and reading them. You’ll find plenty of shit, but sometimes you’ll strike gold. Now that AO3 lets you exclude by dates, this is even easier. Pick a range of time, perhaps the height of the fandom, and THEN sort by kudos/bookmarks. It’s not bulletproof, but it’s better.

3. For stuff that hasn’t been moved onto AO3 at all, my first step is always checking two places: the Fanlore page for the fandom + pairing(s), and the TV Tropes fanfic rec page. Fanlore often lists popular authors, archives, and even links famous fics. The TV Tropes recpage is just a handy place to start: always organized the same, sometimes amusing, and still updated. (Don’t be afraid to go to fanfiction.net if you get linked there. There are gems there, no matter what anyone says.) If you find a fic or archive you want to read but the link is broken, go to Part 3.

4. Now, my fave: reclists. Personal reclists are easy enough to find: just google “(fandom) + fic + recs” and a bunch will pop up, on LJ, DW, and tumblr. There are rec communities out there too, posting old fics, or just with extensive archives that you can troll through at your leisure. If you find a fic you want to read but the link is broken, go to Part 3.

5. Depending on the fandom, any fic archives might be down or not. A simple “(fandom) + archive” google works, and you can add more specifics, such as “slash” or a specific ship. Some archives don’t allow anything above PG13, some don’t allow anything queer. Most don’t have any form of sorting other than by pairing, either. There’s a commonly-used website form that creates “Top Tens” reviewed, favorited, etc., that may or not exist on the archive, depending on its age.

6. If you’re more about talking to people than lonely googling, you should ask people in the fandom (if you can find them) what their favorite fics are and where you can get them. Sometimes older fans will have them stored in a harddrive and will give them to anyone who asks: but you have to ask.

7. That’s about it. It’s a lot of effort, but it can be worth it if you find what you’re looking for. And sometimes you make new friends along the way.

Part 2: Lost Fics

1. Knowing some vague info without any easily findable keywords is one of the hardest spots to be in. This is the time-sink: google the shit out of it. Any vague term you can think of, any random phrase you remember. Use search operators and quotes. Look through reclists to see if anything looks familiar.

2. Skim fics to see if the writing is similar - or identical. Sometimes what you remember is just a single paragraph in a 7 chapter fic, and if you’re not careful you could skip it entirely. If you still can’t find it, it’s time to get active: it’s time to ask other people.

3. Some fandom history: before archive search functions and AO3 bookmarks, if you lost track of a fic, you could go to a “fic finder” forum or community and make a post describing the fic you were thinking of, and people would comment with a link if they knew what it was. Some of these still exist, but they’re much less trafficked these days (especially since comments on tumblr are such a mess). If you can find a ficfinder LJ/DW community: Make an account, and post a description of everything you remember from the fic. If it’s on tumblr, send an ask/submission. 

4. On tumblr, a post in the general fandom tag might also work, though I’ve never tried it myself.

5. If you’re lucky, someone will know the fic you’re thinking of, and you’ll get the name/author, if not a link. If the link is broken, go to Part 3.

Part 3: Broken Links

1. If the website/link is broken, try googling the author’s name and/or the fic name to see if they uploaded it anywhere else. Try googling the username and fic name together and apart, plus and minus the fandom name - authors change usernames but fic names almost always stay.

2. Then try using the wayback machine (an internet archive that screenshots and saves old websites, if you haven’t heard of it. Very handy!) to see if there are any screenshots - sometimes there are saves of some chapters and not others, which is the absolute worst. Always check all the saved dates!

3. Go back to googling. It’s possible someone else has asked for a downloaded copy on some ficfinder forum, tumblr, or livejournal post somewhere. If they did, you can try commenting on the same post or DMing the person to see if they found it/still have it.

4. Wait and see if you get lucky.

Finally,

If you still can’t find what you’re looking for, wait. Ask around. Sometimes archives come back up; sometimes you run into the right person in the comments or at a con who has it downloaded as a txt file or has a printed copy. And if you do find it, finally, and manage to get in contact with the author: ask the person to upload it and backdate it on AO3. AO3 even lets them orphan it if they don’t want their name attached to it. But if they say no, RESPECT IT. People don’t want their stuff online for many different reasons, and that’s fine. Ignoring someone’s wishes for your own personal gain is NOT.

Good luck, and happy hunting!

thirstforfirth:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf6npAEdQWU_OW1p0tf9J54xd3mBmWDCY80IM5peYFzzDk9VA/viewform

thirstforfirth:

http://tansyrr.com/tansywp/2-diane-marchant-kirkspock-sf-women-of-the-20th-century/

cryingalonewithfrankenstein:

these casual shitposts are much more fun than the actual work of trawling through an archive, so here have some notes that will make way more sense if you go sift through maximumride.com yourself:

first, some light reminders for younger / less terminally-online fans: yes, posting in 2005 really was like that. spelling was often poor. (you could mark a certain demographic of posters by being really goddamn mad about not using capital letters or good grammar. in the years since, many of these people have shifted to a typing style more like what you’re reading right now, bc the way we communicate online is changing.) emoticons were all over the place. everyone had giant signatures with huge images even though internet connections were slow.

now. The Drama

as happens in a number of fandoms, BNFs ranged from normal human being to absolute maniac. mods/admins on mr.com were relatively inactive, so the social role that mods may fill was occupied by said BNFs. one of the mods who did post more frequently was Pasty.

the major discourse that i remember was this: posting about slash.

not posting nsfw or illegal material – just posting fanfiction with gay characters, or posting about how you enjoyed it.

there were a number of social cliques on mr.com, though as a shy lurker i was not really in any of them. whether you were or weren’t part of a clique, you would eventually recognize the names of frequent posters.

one of the most frequent posters was jemofgod, who maintained a fairly upbeat presence… and was very outspoken about being Christian. 

mr.com had a fanfiction board, which i probably don’t have to describe in great detail. one of the more polished authors there was Hawkblade, who contributed a number of early slash fics.

these two posters got along like oil and water, but here’s the unfortunate kicker: all this was 10+ years ago and no evidence remains, so all i can give you is my blurry reconstruction of what probably happened. 

important note: Pasty, one of the mods i mentioned earlier, was friendly towards jemofgod.

slash blossomed in popularity circa late 2005 / early 2006, though it was never as popular as het. 

jemofgod really did not like slash, and was one of the most Online people on the board at the time. it is likely that she thought it wasn’t fit material for A Christian Forum / A Forum With Children On It.

(let me remind you: NSFW material was not permitted, and i don’t think any was ever posted, unless the RP board got way wilder than i remember. so we’re talking about fic with a rating somewhere around PG at most.)

there was weeks of fighting over whether slash could be posted / posted about, and eventually Pasty, probably sick of the huge amounts of posts, ruled that all slash was verboten

there was a letter-writing campaign to petition Pasty to go back on this – i remember sending one of the few messages i ever posted as part of this

there were themed forum sigs like this

and… if you wanna know what happened? i don’t know. i wish i could give you closure, but this recollection and the image are all i can give you.

(i mean, when i get around to it, the threads i intend to post contain posts by both jemofgod and Hawkblade, because their posting was notable in general. but nothing from this drama survives, as far as i know)

there you go, some drama from the infancy of the MR fandom, enjoy

some of these users may still be around, but i highly doubt they have tumblrs or will ever see my garbage posts. 

…lbr a lot of us are ashamed of our posting in 2005, and i’m ashamed of my posting from 2005 to the present.

(that said there are a few usernames i saw in the mr.com archives who i think i may have met later, but either they don’t have tumblr or have long since deactivated.)

Kiscon Vid Shows

@kiscon

I am looking for copies of the vid shows from

Kiscon 2001
Kisocn 2004
Kiscon 2008
Kiscon 2010
Kiscon 2012
Kiscon 2017

I am also looking for basic info (playlists etc) for the Kiscon vid shows

Kiscon 2001
Kiscon 2004
Kiscon 2008
Kiscon 2017



post canceled wtf

cryingalonewithfrankenstein:

edit again: all the links are broken and I don’t know what the hell happened so … guess I’ll go save all these pages and rehost them myself? why is this happening 


For a while, the Maximum Ride fan forums were hosted directly on the official website, maximumride.com. Without getting too into the tangled history of changing domain names, those forums existed for approximately two years, from early 2005 to late 2007.

Though the archive is incomplete, some pages are cached on the Wayback Machine, and I went through to pick out some that I found interesting. For the most part, only one page of each thread was saved, though for a few, two or three pages made it. Please note: the Wayback Machine tends to load slowly, and almost all the images are broken. That’s normal.

The search I used to do this is here [link]. Since Tumblr now no longer reliably indicates links, I have bolded all of them.

edit: I forgot that Tumblr also forcibly redirects all links, which breaks Wayback Machine links. You will have to copy + paste the links into a new tab, or Tumblr will, again, redirect you.

The main page of the general discussion board. ( https://web.archive.org/web/20051105001043/http://www.maximumride.com:80/forum/viewforum.php?f=1&mark=topics&sid=50d598866258973843c8cfe10f9353d5 )

next one. One of a number of threads from the middle of 2005 about whether there would be a sequel, and what it would be called. ( https://web.archive.org/web/20051105000119/http://www.maximumride.com:80/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80&view=next&sid=41be070703cbd54d63248f0e69a7f916 )

will there be another?. Another speculation thread. In this one, one user speculates that the title of the second book will be “Maximum Ride: The Search for Truth”. Titles changing before the book hit the shelves was a recurring thing – it happened with MAX, and probably with another of the later books. ( https://web.archive.org/web/20051106074146/http://www.maximumride.com:80/forum/viewtopic.php?t=253&sid=f368db9fccc6b2e744d9c570a6729d04 )

Max Ride #2. By August 2005, other rumors are that book 2 will be called School’s Out Forever. ( https://web.archive.org/web/20051106095539/http://www.maximumride.com:80/forum/viewtopic.php?p=192287&sid=50d598866258973843c8cfe10f9353d5 )

Powers. MR fans had a good track record of guessing upcoming plot twists. Here we see a then-BNF post “i think the voice that you may be talking about with max has something to do with the chip in her arm.” Spoiler alert: she was right. ( https://web.archive.org/web/20050519161935/http://www.maximumride.com:80/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2327& )

happy ending?. Accurate guesses here: the flock will find their parents; Dr. Martinez will be related to Max. ( https://web.archive.org/web/20051103154500/http://www.maximumride.com:80/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57&start=15&sid=50d598866258973843c8cfe10f9353d5 )

There’s at least one more thread in the archive where someone attempted to guess what the flock’s powers would end up being, but it didn’t make it into my list of threads to post, so I’ll come back later.

I found the institutes website(Progress:None). This was the one big forum project I remember. The site popped up a login form requesting a username and password, but that’s not reflected in the archived version. (If you have 10,000 US dollars, the domain is for sale!) ( https://web.archive.org/web/20051104234456/http://www.maximumride.com:80/forum/viewtopic.php?t=927&start=0&sid=50d598866258973843c8cfe10f9353d5 )

I found the institutes website(Progress:None). Page 68 of the thread, and it’s turned into a chat/casual RP thread. But if you scroll down, one user crossposted the link to unfiction.com, then an active ARG-solving site. ( https://web.archive.org/web/20051106095317/http://www.maximumride.com:80/forum/viewtopic.php?p=190639&sid=50d598866258973843c8cfe10f9353d5 )

The thread on unfiction, where someone uses whois data to find out who owned the domain. ( https://web.archive.org/web/20170709045747/http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=183993 )

Surprise! It’s an advertising agency!. The slideshow of their work shows content I forgot about until now. I’m not sure if this news ever percolated back to the forum, and unless someone has other backups of the forum, or was there and remembers, I can’t tell you. ( https://web.archive.org/web/20160509075916/http://www.conceptfarm.com:80/work/james-patterson/ )

There you go, the highlights reel. Not featured: a whole bunch of fanfiction + RPs, chat about JP’s other work, “hi guys I won’t be online for a while”.

olderthannetfic:

In 2009-2011 (when Yuletide was making an awkward transition to AO3), a lot of people were horrified that we had so little writing time because we’d “always” had two months. Human memory is… unreliable.

So here’s a chart sourced from Yuletide admin posts on LJ showing how long we had to nominate/sign up/write in different years.

cryingalonewithfrankenstein:

these casual shitposts are much more fun than the actual work of trawling through an archive, so here have some notes that will make way more sense if you go sift through maximumride.com yourself:

first, some light reminders for younger / less terminally-online fans: yes, posting in 2005 really was like that. spelling was often poor. (you could mark a certain demographic of posters by being really goddamn mad about not using capital letters or good grammar. in the years since, many of these people have shifted to a typing style more like what you’re reading right now, bc the way we communicate online is changing.) emoticons were all over the place. everyone had giant signatures with huge images even though internet connections were slow.

now. The Drama

as happens in a number of fandoms, BNFs ranged from normal human being to absolute maniac. mods/admins on mr.com were relatively inactive, so the social role that mods may fill was occupied by said BNFs. one of the mods who did post more frequently was Pasty.

the major discourse that i remember was this: posting about slash.

not posting nsfw or illegal material – just posting fanfiction with gay characters, or posting about how you enjoyed it.

there were a number of social cliques on mr.com, though as a shy lurker i was not really in any of them. whether you were or weren’t part of a clique, you would eventually recognize the names of frequent posters.

one of the most frequent posters was jemofgod, who maintained a fairly upbeat presence… and was very outspoken about being Christian. 

mr.com had a fanfiction board, which i probably don’t have to describe in great detail. one of the more polished authors there was Hawkblade, who contributed a number of early slash fics.

these two posters got along like oil and water, but here’s the unfortunate kicker: all this was 10+ years ago and no evidence remains, so all i can give you is my blurry reconstruction of what probably happened. 

important note: Pasty, one of the mods i mentioned earlier, was friendly towards jemofgod.

slash blossomed in popularity circa late 2005 / early 2006, though it was never as popular as het. 

jemofgod really did not like slash, and was one of the most Online people on the board at the time. it is likely that she thought it wasn’t fit material for A Christian Forum / A Forum With Children On It.

(let me remind you: NSFW material was not permitted, and i don’t think any was ever posted, unless the RP board got way wilder than i remember. so we’re talking about fic with a rating somewhere around PG at most.)

there was weeks of fighting over whether slash could be posted / posted about, and eventually Pasty, probably sick of the huge amounts of posts, ruled that all slash was verboten

there was a letter-writing campaign to petition Pasty to go back on this – i remember sending one of the few messages i ever posted as part of this

there were themed forum sigs like this

and… if you wanna know what happened? i don’t know. i wish i could give you closure, but this recollection and the image are all i can give you.

(i mean, when i get around to it, the threads i intend to post contain posts by both jemofgod and Hawkblade, because their posting was notable in general. but nothing from this drama survives, as far as i know)

there you go, some drama from the infancy of the MR fandom, enjoy

some of these users may still be around, but i highly doubt they have tumblrs or will ever see my garbage posts. 

…lbr a lot of us are ashamed of our posting in 2005, and i’m ashamed of my posting from 2005 to the present.

(that said there are a few usernames i saw in the mr.com archives who i think i may have met later, but either they don’t have tumblr or have long since deactivated.)

70thousandlightyearsfromhome:

Smut, give me smut and nothing but…

I don’t think @fanfictionrecommendations-com​ is right about fanfic dying. It’s doing fine.  But they link to some interesting stats, that I want to blather on about examine in more depth.

If you are anything like most fanfiction readers, you spent a large portion of 2010 on Fanfiction.net, browsing, reading your favorite fics, writing or dreaming of writing. And like most people, you never noticed that with each passing year the world of fanfiction was shrinking.

Well, I, personally was not spending any time at Fanfiction.net in 2010, and neither were most of my fan friends.  I was more or less on hiatus from fandom then, but even if I weren’t, FF.net wasn’t where I’d be looking for fanfic.  I abandoned that site when they banned NC-17 stories in 2002.  I have an account there, with what stories of mine remained after they deleted the adult ones, but haven’t been back since the 2002 purge. I am not planning to ever return.  The interface is clunky, the stories don’t display correctly in my version of Firefox, and it’s just not terribly inviting, even without the limitations on content.

12% of all accounts on [Fanfiction.net] have at least one published story and are actively engaged in fandom activity. 88% of members on Fanfiction.net are currently not shaping any fandom.

This doesn’t surprise me.  It’s pretty typical of online forums in general.  Heck, of life in general.  Far more people read stuff than write it. 

Even if you have written a story, it is most probable that you will not be on [Fanfiction.net] longer than six months .  

That’s interesting, but hardly shocking.  Online communities of all sorts tend to have a high churn rate.  Easy in, easy out.  FF.net’s might be higher than most, because of their demographics, and leaving FF.net doesn’t mean they’re leaving fandom.  

There were more fandoms being idle [on Fanfiction.net] in every category than becoming active in 2010. 

In 2011, http://ffnresearch.blogspot.com wrote “1814 fandoms did not receive a single new story over the last six months”.

This does not surprise me, either.  It’s the nature of fandom, and was even in the days of fanzines.  Fans tend to move from fandom to fandom, and old fandoms tend to die off if there’s nothing to feed them.  And FanFiction.net has been around since 1998.  That’s a lot of time for abandoned fandoms to accumulate.  Not to mention all the “orphan fandoms” that were never popular to begin with.

The happier thought comes quick: maybe our beloved fanficcers have just found other places to write, places where we have to follow? Archive of Our Own prompted a mass migration, of course. But Archive still doesn’t have half the population Fanfiction.net did - and it has its fair share of dead accounts too.

I think they are too quick to dismiss the exodus to AO3.  I don’t think it’s a coincidence that FF.net’s decline began when AO3 took off.  AO3 might not have the population FF.net has, but FF.net has several years’ head start, and they are getting more traffic than FF.net is now, according to Alexa.

The Toasty Stats post linked to has some interesting graphs.  Nothing unexpected, but it’s nice to see it laid out graphically.  The canon matters.  Without new material, fanfic will decline.  Not necessarily to zero, but it will decline.  This is the fate of all fandoms eventually.  

Toasty Stats agrees that AO3 is the reason FF.net is declining:

After a long period of growth – fic creation roughly doubled from 2006 to 2012 – FFN seems at last to be in decline. By all appearances, the site peaked in 2012 and has slowly been fading ever since. Even with new features like pairing labels, people are posting fewer stories every year. True, 2014 still averaged over 2,600 new fics a day (and about as many new users!), including fics since deleted, but that’s down from over 3,100 a day in 2012. It’s got a lot of life in it still, but barring major changes, it looks like its busiest days are over.

Why? The growing popularity of AO3 surely has something to do with it. FanFiction.Net users have long been frustrated with the site’s lack of features and moderation policy, not to mention the “War on Punctuation”, all issues AO3 was designed to address. The sudden removal of thousands of M-rated fics late in May 2012, what one commentator called “The Book Burning That Wasn’t”, may simply have been the last straw, and there does seem to have been a mass migration to AO3 at the time. Could be other causes, too – goodness knows the people in charge at FFN have never been the most receptive to user concerns.

Whatever the reason, FanFiction.Net activity as a whole is declining.

The only thing that surprises me is that it took so long.  “Adult” works in fandom have been a bone of contention since the beginning, and IME, smut always wins.  Seems to be what fans want.  I know I always get more hits on my explicit stories than on my gen stories.  

And…FFNResearch has this graph:

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This graph might be skewed by teens being more willing to give their ages, but if it’s anything close to accurate…FF.net is basically a teen site, with an average age of 15.  (And a lot of kids too young to be there, lying about their ages.)  If that’s true, it’s no surprise that many of them don’t stick around long.  They grow up and get other interests…or maintain the same interests, at more adult-oriented sites.  I don’t see any reason to panic in these numbers.

(It might also explain why FF.net has made the decisions they’ve made with respect to adult content.  Though I guess it’s hard to untangle cause and effect.)

I can understand why some want to raise the profile of fanfic.  But I’m not sure it’s a good idea.  There’s a reason for the “tabooness” of fanfic.  It exists because the copyright holders allow it to exist.  That could change, if it becomes too prominent. And fanfic is doing fine, even if you can’t win a Hugo for writing it.

History of Slash

fanfichasruinedmylife:

thebibliosphere:

systlin:

veronica-rich:

kronette:

70thousandlightyearsfromhome:

Been reading the “Slash Controversies” section of Fanlore.  I’m a long time fan, but some of this stuff is from way before my time, even.  Mary Lou Dodge’s outrage over smut at Trek cons, for example.  

Slash was still controversial in the mid to late ‘80s, when I got really involved in fandom.  But the battles over whether it should be allowed at cons were more or less over.  There were slash-only cons by then, but fan cons in general permitted slash.  I’m told because slash fans were such a big part of fandom, they just couldn’t afford to exclude them, even if the con organizers disapproved of slash and would rather not allow it.

I remember discussing fanfic awards at a con once, with someone who was outraged that there were separate gen and slash categories.  “Slash writers shouldn’t get special treatment,” she proclaimed.  A couple of other fans explained that having separate categories was actually to protect the gen writers.  Gen stories tended to lose to slash stories, because there were so many slash fans, and “slashers read across fandoms.”  While gen fans tended to stick with their personal favorite fandom(s), slash fans often read (and voted for) slash in any fandom they found it in.

That wasn’t me.  I tend to fall deeply in love with a fandom and/or character, and read everything I can find in that fandom, gen or slash.  But I knew a lot of slash fans who fit the description.  I used to zine-shop for friends at MediaWest.  (People who couldn’t make it to the con would ask those who were going to buy zines for them, either giving them the money upfront or promising to pay them back later.)  The slash fans often asked me to buy them slash in any fandom, as long as it was new.  

And I didn’t know David Gerrold hated slash.  As recently as 2013, he reiterated his feelings about K/S.  He’s gay, so I thought he’d be a little more tolerant.  His characterizing slash fans as “fat ladies with a sexual dysfunction” seems just a tad misogynist.  

Though come to think of it, that’s not that unusual.  A lot of gay men seemed perplexed and even offended at the idea of straight women writing gay smut.  That changed, IME, in the ‘90s, when the Internet made it a lot easier for gay guys to find slash, and become a part of it.  Minotaur‘s willingness to answer slash writers’ questions about m/m sex (and his good humor about it) made him popular both online and at cons.  

He ended up writing in many fandoms, but his first was Voyager - in particular, Paris/Kim.  Though his first story was more Kim/Ayala than P/K.

Minotaur was a godsend to us, and a wonderful man.

Minotaur proved what impact you can have with positivity rather than just bitching and throwing shade all the time.

Ahh, this took me back. 

Some fandom history for y’all youngin’s out there. 

Ugh, I still remember when he died. It was like a mass grieving across the fandoms. I was only 22 and I forget exactly how I ended up on his lj but he was just so damn open and funny and willing to talk about things that were rarely talked about in a healthy and informative manner. His writing taught me a lot, both in terms of basic human anatomy but also just how to tell a damn good story.

Then four years after his passing, there I was, being relegated to the LGBT kink dept in the publishing house (because nobody wanted it, can you BELIEVE) and with the absolute authority of someone who grew up reading minotaur’s works on fandom was able to say with confidence, “that’s not how the prostate works” to a room full of senior publishers attempting to cash in on the popularity of m/m works, with no idea what they were doing.

It was hilarious, and I feel he would have gotten a good laugh out of it.

Minotaur was amazing, and I say this as someone who only really knew his work in fandom. (I, too, was one of those weirdos who liked to slash Clark Kent with Whitney Fordman.) I remember coming across this web page in the early 00s and being simply awed by what it had to offer.

https://www.squidge.org/minotaur/index2.html

Those who did know him well are keeping it up, thankfully. It hasn’t been updated since the early 00s, but it’s still every bit amazing as it was back then. 

My favorite memory of Minotaur is being roped by him into room party at Bascon (a slash convention held in San Francisco) where he and I kept beaming fanfic to one another via our new Palm Pilots (it was a thing back then). He insisted I  overcome my dislike of RPS by having me read out loud an Iron Chef RPS story.  And taught me that you can connect to more people by beaming your joy and enthusiasm into the void.

fanhackers:

“The two things I think Tumblr really changed are, I think before Tumblr the primary language of fandom was text-based, and it was very much fic and filk—very text-oriented. I think Tumblr changed it so that the culture of memes as a form of communication and visual communication really became, not just a primary, but possibly now the primary way that fans communicate—the shorthand fans use. I think Tumblr played a large part in that, because before, platforms were based around text and there wasn’t an easy way to share—and it was before people really got comfortable with GIFs. So, changing to a visual language in fandom is a lot of what I think we can thank Tumblr for. But I also think there was a lot of fragmentation in fandom pre-Tumblr, specifically because you had different platforms—you had LiveJournal folks, you had Yahoo! Groups folks. And especially if you were in Groups, it was super specific, and you could have a whole community just based around one particular ship and never really venture out into other places. And now Tumblr creates more of a panfandom community where there’s overlap between fandoms, there’s conversation that’s relevant to different fandoms. You can kind of have it all in the same space, while previously it was much more difficult, and it would be discouraged.”

— Keidra Chaney in Morimoto, Lori. 2018. “Roundtable: Tumblr and Fandom.” In “Tumblr and Fandom,“edited by Lori Morimoto and Louisa Ellen Stein, special issue, Transformative Works and Cultures, no. 27.