February 2016

The different fanfic eras explained as lunch

berlynn-wohl:

Pre-internet era: You walk into a room and sit down at a table. Someone brings you a turkey sandwich, a bag of potato chips, and a soda. Perhaps you are a vegetarian, or gluten-free. Doesn’t matter; you get a turkey sandwich, a bag of potato chips, and a soda.

Usenet era: You walk into a room and sit down to your turkey sandwich, a bag of potato chips, and a soda. Someone tells you that over at the University they are also serving BLTs, pizza, coffee, and beer.

Web 1.0 (aka The Great Schism): You walk into a room. The room is lined with 50 unmarked doors. Someone tells you, “We have enough food to feed you and a hundred more…but we’ve scattered it behind these fifty doors. Good luck!”

Web 2.0 (present): You walk into a room. Someone points at the buffet and says, “Enjoy!” You turn to see a 100-foot-long buffet table, piled high with every kind of food imaginable. To be fair, some of the food is durian, head cheese, and chilled monkey brains, but that’s cool, some people are into those…and trust me, they are even more psyched to be here than you are.

derryderrydown:

the-emef:

ourmenfromuncle:

jackymedan:

Question @people who were already actively reading fic back in the 90′s early 2000′s etc.:

Since I have a preference for older fandoms I keep ending up on older fic archives too, but I’m personally really more of an AO3-generation type person since I literally only started reading fic back in 2013 and ao3 is where I read my first stories..

SO on ao3 fic length/’size’ gets measured in WORDCOUNT (which.. makes sense to me and is something I can sort of work with to make an approximation of how long something is gonna take me to read etc.)

BUT on older fic archives I tend to see things get measured by.. idek what exactly? but? you end up with fic sizes like “55K” or.. “200K” and.. to me ‘K’ means thousand? but they most definitely do not mean 200 thousand WORDS, so..

is it FILESIZE?? like.. 200 KB if you save it as a textfile??? or?? what.. just.. W H A T ?

I’m pretty sure it’s file size because that mattered with dial-up. I think 4K roughly corresponds to 1000 words.

I’ve never felt… so old…. in my life

So old. I’m so very, very old.

Old fics

salomeia:

I’ve been looking for some old SGA and Harry Potter fics, but it seems that many of them have dissappeared along with the old archives. Of course it’s expected, but I still can’t help feeling a bit sad. I’ve saved some of the fics I enjoyed, but of course there’s plenty I haven’t. It’s a wonderful thing that AO3 and the old archivists have moved some of the works to AO3, preserving fandom history. Thank you.

Long live the archives!

Heyyyyyyy acafans

porcupine-girl:

And everyone else! A friend just pointed me to this super cool paper being presented at this year’s CHI (Computer-Human Interaction, basically THE huge Computer Science conference):

An Archive of Their Own: A Case Study of Feminist HCI and Values in Design

Abstract:

Rarely are computing systems developed entirely by members of the communities they serve, particularly when that community is underrepresented in computing. Archive of Our Own (AO3), a fan fiction archive with nearly 750,000 users and over 2 million individual works, was designed and coded primarily by women to meet the needs of the online fandom community. Their design decisions were informed by existing values and norms around issues such as accessibility, inclusivity, and identity. We conducted interviews with 28 users and developers, and with this data we detail the history and design of AO3 using the framework of feminist HCI and focusing on the successful incorporation of values into design. We conclude with considering examples of complexity in values in design work: the use of design to mitigate tensions in values and to influence value formation or change.

@bert-and-ernie-are-gay @tea-and-liminality @doctornerdington @tiltedsyllogism @reluctantabandon @fandumbgirl and, y’know, all the rest of y’all.

jaesauce:

Herp derp I’ve said this before but once again I’m wishing that more fandoms started documenting their work on Fanlore. I’ve been adding stuff to the Mad Max pages, but I know so very little about so very little.

Added Dad Max, Furiosa Test, and am working on the feminist angle to the movies and characters. Could certainly use a lot more fandom examples for everything.

Also, been debating adding pages for individual stories. Some fandoms have all these examples for fanfics, which I love to read even if I’m not in that fandom. It’s a great combination of fic rec and history. But yeah, am worried that it might be too stalkerish for me to do that. MMFR is pretty small, and I don’t want to freak people out.

george lucas literally never said that and is super liberal

wesleyknope:

in the 70s and 80s star wars fanzines got sued for copyright infringement when they printed fanfiction/fanart and han/luke stories were classified as porn even if they contained no porn bc lucasfilm defined anything gay as porn

source: @reyton made a post with this link http://fanlore.org/wiki/Han/Luke and i read it even though i don’t ship han/luke because i will do anything to avoid doing math homework

he might have changed his mind in recent years i couldn’t find anything about it though

The Fanlore article is a good start.  No fan writers were sued by Lucas in the 1970s or 1980s. Several fanzine publishers did receive a letter from the president of his fan club that basically stomped on gay themes and het fic that was more than PG13. The fan club president did - after much protesting - allow one story to be published that had two original characters (Imperial Officers) who were gay but it was very non-explicit. By the time The Phantom Menace came out the Internet existed and Lucasfilm’s hold on fanfic weakened so that lots and lots of slash was written. And a small group of fans did publish Han/Luke fanfic also with no Lucasfilm reaction.  As a side note Lucas no longer own Star Wars - Disney does.

Lol if u were around back innthe old days of trek slash u have to be old as dirt, what are u still doing here writing fanfiction, get a life.

shadowmaat:

dduane:

teaberryblue:

thorduna:

ohfreckle:

So what, are you planning on becoming a boring old fart with no hobbies or interests? Without us “old people” you wouldn’t even know what fanfiction is. 

hoooooly balls

no offence to young talents (and i use this word for a reason - young writers might surely have talent, but not experience) but i’d like to see anon enjoy a fandom where all the fic was produced strictly by 15 yr olds

and the irony of this being a reaction to a post/piece of history that clearly shows who are the people that kickstarted fandom as we know it today.. wow

Okay wow.  

I think a lot of younger fans have no idea what fandom was like before the internet.  Sure, you probably hear stories, and not to make “I walked fifteen miles both ways uphill to read my fanfic and I LIKED IT” sort of statements, but y’all realize that if it weren’t for the people who had come before, fandom wouldn’t be here, not in the incarnation it is now, not something that belongs to and is created by fans who exercise a fair amount of freedom to remix and re-imagine and rebuild the worlds we love, right?

When you talk to older fans, you’re most often talking to women who might have been the only woman in the fan spaces they had access to, who traveled to conventions or found ways to exchange letters in the regular mail with other fans.  You’re talking to people who had to bring their fic to the copy shop and print it out and mail it, who risked printers refusing to print it, who risked things getting damaged or destroyed. 

You’re talking about people who fought to get their slashfic printed.  Actually fought, had shouting matches, received threats, had manuscripts destroyed in malice, because it wasn’t acceptable then, in so many ways. 

You’re talking to people who, when the internet was still in its primordial state, risked C&D letters from companies and creators who tried to protect their copyrights with the most iron of fists, who saw every fan creation as an assault.

Again, you’re talking to people who fought, who moved from web host to web host as the people hosting their servers were threatened with lawsuits.  

These are things that happened, and, what, you’re saying the people who lived and fought to make fandom what it is today, to make it a space where people can talk about and write and draw more or less anything they want and find other people who want it to didn’t live their lives valuably?

They gave you this.  They fought sexism and homophobia and draconian ideas about rights.  They traveled miles and spent their own money for this.  

I’m not yet an Old Fan, but I’m not a Young Fan either, and I’m so fucking grateful to every fan who came before me for creating the place where I can do the things I love and be myself and where my experiences in fandom are respected by my colleagues and the people I care about.

These are the people you should be asking to tell you all about their lives, to share their experiences; these are the people you should be learning from and absorbing as much as you can from if they’re generous enough to share.  These are the people who can give us hope that even though we’re still fighting a lot of things, like companies who’ve now realized our value trying to capitalize unfairly on the work of fan artists, like continued sexist and anti-queer attitudes prevail and how they reflect on people’s attitudes toward fanwork and its value.  
If you’re telling someone to get a life, if you don’t think a life in and of fandom is valuable, you’ve fallen for those lies; you’re discounting not only their value, but your own value as a fan.  

Don’t let them do that.  

AS OLD AS DIRT AND PROUD OF IT.

Imagine if you had to give up all fandom things at 22. No watching nerdy shows or movies, no reading SF&F, no writing fics or making fanart or browsing through it on the internet. Cash in or throw out all your toys, your merch, your Batman bedsheets and wookiee feet slippers. No nerdy t-shirts. Nothing. Delete soundtracks off your ipod. Get rid of that personally autgraphed pic of Leonard Nimoy that you stood in line for two hours to get. You’re over the age of 22 then you need to grow the hell up and get a life.

What a sad, pathetic, empty life that would be if you were forced to give up the things you love because you were deemed “too old.” And what a sad, pathetic, bitter little jerk you’d have to be to try and someone else what they are and aren’t allowed to like based on something as arbitrary as physical age.

If some of us are “too old,” some of you still need to grow the hell up.

an7romeda:

@ early fanfiction: why were we all so afraid to be sued? what happened?

Long history, there were few (if any) lawsuits brought against fans, but a lot of lawyer waving: http://fanlore.org/wiki/TPTB%27s_Involvement_with_Fandom; http://fanlore.org/wiki/C%26d

Anne Inez McCaffrey was the first woman in science fiction/fantasy to win the Hugo and the Nebula Awards in the same year, cementing her place in fannish and feminist history. ….I’ve been in Pern fandom almost fifteen years, and I’ve seen the best and worst of it. Her legal team sent me a C&D for running a Pern RPG when I was thirteen. I’ll never forget it - I came home from my Bat Mitzvah in Paris to find the email sitting in my inbox. And I was lucky, because I took down the site right away and they stopped pursuing me. ….Perhaps her strangest, most enduring and necessary legacy to fandom is the Organization for Transformative Works. I have no doubt that when naominovak gave the seed money to start the group, the former PernMUSH wizard thought of McCaffrey’s campaigns against fandom amongst others.

In the end, all of Ramoth’s golden daughters flew away and founded Weyrs of their Own. Allowing people to write Pern fanfic and play on Pern RPGs and books aimed for children hasn’t brought them back. They win Hugos and Nebulas, they work for Blizzard and Ubisoft and they’ve all left Pern far behind them.

skywaterblue. The Long, Strange Legacy of Anne McCaffrey; WebCite, posted to Dreamwidth November 22, 2011.